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Recommendations for an economical outsourced foreign web developer to build a MVP for non-techie?

Has anyone had any success or recommendations for outsourcing web development to a foreign developer? Looking to build an inexpensive MVP but I am not technical and can't separate out the good developers on Upwork.

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Max Garkavtsev
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Max Garkavtsev Entrepreneur
CEO at QArea, TestFort
Hello, Jared. If you are limited in cash, that's a risk, and that's the reason why inexpereinced buyers go to companies rather the freelancers, as there is more chance they will doo all the cycle properly. Many developers on Upwork are being sold by agencies, which are outsorcing companies anyway. To give you some advice, I'd like to hear few answers: do you expect fixed cost bid? dp you have documentation with requirements? Did you get any estimates on how much affords would be needed to build a prototype?
Mitch Harris
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Mitch Harris Entrepreneur • Advisor
VP of Data Engineering at Beacinsight, Inc.
I recommend TopTal (www.toptal.com). They vet their candidates well beforehand so more likely to get good developers/designers.

This doesn't remove the need on your end for product and project planning. You still need to give them good specs and keep them on a schedule.

But with TopTal you're more likely to have people who will keep to them.

With all by-the-hour/by-the-project consultants, you'll only get what you tell them and no more. So you have to make sure you ask for it explicitly (or discuss).
Claudio Castro Seguel
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Claudio Castro Seguel Entrepreneur
CTO at Umbo
The only way to decrease risk on those stages, is with references. Because if you look someone just by "random chance" even if they resumes looks great, the probability of finding someone that can do good work but is not professional enough to give you the wanted sowfteare it is way to high.
Amy L Anderson
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Amy L Anderson Entrepreneur
Enterprise Project Portfolio Manager
I would recommend talking to Jatinder Singh CEO of HatchPlan.io They are building my MVP site as we speak. I have been happy with their results to date. Amy Anderson SchedulePal.com
Eric Lentz
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Eric Lentz Entrepreneur
Business Improvement Through Software Application Development
I have worked for a few years with Iotasol (http://iotasol.com/contact.html). Contact Yashpal and tell him I sent you. He is a founder of the company and has built up a company of people that can help you. He'll take great care of you.

I build such applications, but if you are specifically looking for "an economical outsourced foreign web developer" then they will do a great job for you.

Juan Pablo Orozco Barba
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Director General GDLsystems.com
Our company GDLsystems.com used to deliver web development services. Now we are more focused on online marketing. For web development now we recomend our business partner scalat.com
Steve Owens
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Steve Owens Entrepreneur • Advisor
Finish Line - A Better Way for Small Companies to Develop Products
Why only foreign companies?

Good ones charge about $100 per hour. Anything significantly less is going to be a risk.

Not sure I would only look at Upworks - you can google them.
Ilya Lipovich
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Ilya Lipovich Entrepreneur
Angel Investor/Operations leader
Jared, My company specializes in building out MVP's and prototypes for startups.
David Rowell
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David Rowell Entrepreneur
CEO & Founder at LifeLinker Inc
I have to start by calling BS on the claim made by another poster that paying less than $100/hr for offshore developers poses a 'risk'. That is beyond laughable, for two reasons, and even what some would consider the 'gold standard' of high-quality and high-quality-control, Toptal, rarely charges as much as $100/hr (and certainly not to us!).

Firstly, I've found no correlation whatsoever between the price paid to developers and the value/quality of the work done in return. I've had very high value from developers costing less than $20/hr, and very low quality/productivity and of course, abysmal value, from developers costing way over $50/hr.

At one time, we decided to go 'wild and crazy' and get a $100/hr guy on board. Utter disaster. Almost as disastrous was the $50/hr guy.

Steve Jobs once famously said there was a ten-fold difference in productivity/quality/value between good and bad programmers. The problem is - for us all - in finding the people at the high end of that scale, and money is not a measure.

Secondly, the whole concept of off-shore developers is 'we can profitably provide comparable services to those offered by local developers, at massively lower cost to our clients, because we have a lower cost base to start with'.

Sure, developers and their employers are as greedy as the rest of us, but when in India you have developers earning $5 - $20/hr, even the greediest company doesn't need to rebill that at $100. When you have developers in E Europe earning $10 - $30/hr, the same metric applies.

And when the going charge-out rates for offshore developers seem to cluster around $12 - $30 from India, and $20 - $50 from E Europe, there's just no commercial ability for contracting companies to charge $100+ and get business. Other than, apparently, from Mr Owens.

TL;DR : Don't judge the quality of your potential contractor by their cost. The only thing that happens if you pay over $100/hr is that you blow through your budget three, four, five, or even six times faster than you need to.

And now as a reward for those who have read this far, a recommendation. My company has used way too many different contractors, all around the world, but at present, we are very comfortable with a Ukrainian company, Active Bridge.


There are a number of reasons we like them, and I'm happy to talk more on that topic if desired - reach out directly, perhaps. But I'd suggest you reach out to Eugene Korpan - (his email was 'removed to protect privacy' - thanks, Founder Dating - but you can find contact details from their website)and see if they can help.

They do specialize in Ruby/Rails, which might limit their appeal. And I'm not sure how much additional workload they can take on at present. Their hourly rates are somewhat negotiable, depending on the nature of your project, and certainly, for us, are extremely competitive.

Steve Owens
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Steve Owens Entrepreneur • Advisor
Finish Line - A Better Way for Small Companies to Develop Products
@David -I know that there is a common belief that engineering services are cheaper in other countries. I am here to tell you this is a myth. We have employees all over the world, and the cost is very similar regardless of were it comes from. Like most things in this world, engineering services is a commodity. Like other commodities (oil, iron, wheat, ect) the price people are willing to pay has very little to do with the cost of producing the commodity. Even if a company decided to sell for less, that company would very soon run out of capacity. Arbitrage in a free market economy are small and short lived - its just the way the system works.
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