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Do you think I could fundamentally change the technical recruiting industry with this idea?

this is a complete mind shift for the process. Step 1, people currently employeed and happy with their job get permission to work from anywhere. i.e. a Self Contained Tech Worker. I work from any coffee shop I want to, my employeer is happy with my work. Step 2. I start crashing offices and working else where, still working for my current employeer. They don't care where I work, coffee shop, or some other office. Step 3. Over time as I work at new places I'll get to know new people. Leads to my next job when I'm looking for a switch.

Companies pay for a slow trickle of new "office crashers" that use their office as a coffee shop, but also are nice and answer quick tech questions, etc. Over time it's like a long interview without the BS of a whiteboard and grilling someone for 1 hour. You decide over the corse of months.

I registered the domain officecrashe.rs and I think this can be huge. Agree? Disagree?

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Jennifer Jang
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Jennifer Jang Entrepreneur
Cartographer at the Social Computing Group, MIT Media Lab
No way. I suppose you can reshape that idea to something that may work, but right off the bat, the incentives are terribly misaligned for almost every point that you propose.

Point 1: Companies are happy to allow their employees to work from home every single day.

I don't think this is true of most companies, because you're certainly missing out on a lot when you don't interact with your coworkers in person. (Similarly, they're not getting the full benefit of having you as an employee.) I don't know of too many companies that will allow you to work from home 5 days a week. I mean it might work for some unique startups, but not the average tech company. So your "market" is small to begin with. Also this happens to be one of those Silicon Valley feel-good myths: that employees will always be happier and more productive when they work from home. I think the reality is that many people will abuse this privilege if it becomes too popular.

Point 2: Companies will be happy to allow you to interview at other companies while employed with them.

I suppose this could be true if they just wanted to get rid of you without having to pay severance. But not if they value you as an employee at all!

Point 3: Companies will be okay with their employees intermingling with employees of other companies and sharing ideas on a regular basis.

Similarly, this will never be allowed if either company has anything of intellectual or proprietary value.

This is all not to mention any legal issues, cost issues (companies are expected to pay for and maintain space for someone who isn't their employee?), etc.

I think this idea has some merit and may work if you implemented it as some sort of temp/internship-to-hire program. But anything more drawn out than that will probablybe a waste of time for both employee and employer.
Andrew Arrow
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Andrew Arrow Entrepreneur
VP of Software Engineering at Activity Club
Thanks Jennifer, great feedback. My rebutal:

1. work from anywhere premission
I agree, it's not for everyone or every job. But it's my normal life working for my current employeer. I goto their office M-W, H-F I work from coffee shops or where ever. A lot of good engineers do this. We are good at coming in for meetings, getting in sync with team, and then plugging away on code.

2. interview at other companies while employed with them.
I don't consider talking to someone at a coffee shop as "interviewing with other companies." And yet, I might meet someone at a coffee shop that will hire me a year later right? How is it different to work from company X's office and just talk to people like I was in a coffee shop?

3. intermingling with employees and sharing ideas on a regular basis
I doubt I'm going to be given root access at Company X when I'm just sitting in their office quietly working on my code. But point taken. Some people will be neverous with me looking at their whiteboards and overhearing conversations.

4. companies are expected to pay for and maintain space for someone who isn't their employee?
Lots of companies have an extra desk or two. And this would lower the fees and time they are wasting with recuiters and interviews.

Tanguy de Courson
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Tanguy de Courson Entrepreneur
CEO at Activity Club
In (or around) 1976 Carl Sagen gave an interview where he detailed how commuting to work is the worst thing that humans can do to ruin this earth. His catch phrase there was "we should communicate, not commute"

To this we have so many online communication tools that it should not be necessary to be physically in an office. I have found with 20 years of experience that being physically in the same space is far worse for productivity of programmers than being alone, as long as they communicate with each other.

So I guess there are situations where an office that is m-f 9-5 is necessary and human interaction is necessary, but for computer programmers it definitely is not and really just a societal expectation of being a cog in the machine to have another meeting to prove your worth.

So to the point of the OP I don't think that idea is what will change things fundamentally, I think as a society we need to fundamentally change our expectations of humans doing work first. That a human can be worth 100k/year to a company without occupying a chair, at a desk, at a cubicle during business hours.






Gabor Nagy
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Gabor Nagy Entrepreneur
Founder / Chief architect at Skyline Robotics
I agree with Tanguy : Commuting is the worst thing humans can do to ruin the planet and their own health and sanity.
It's really time go get rid of this old-fashioned thinking that you need to go to a specific physical location to do your job.
It's archaic and ridiculous, in the age of the internet and a million communication options.
Sure, some jobs, like a doctor, or a nurse, require face-to-face interaction, but most white-collar / tech jobs don't.
Would some people abuse working from home?
Sure, but those people will be weeded out.
If you produce and meet your goals, I don't care if you work from home or in some office.
Conversely, if you slack off and don't produce anything, I don't care if you sit in the office 16 hours a day.

I'm not sure about the Andrew's idea though.
This would definitely not work for any company with intellectual property, which is pretty much all tech companies.

I'd be happy to let my employees work from home and eliminate the stress off commuting, but, to regularly share offices with a bunch of strangers, where anyone can take a peek at my company's designs on his laptop?
I don't think so.
Would I let a bunch of strangers into my office, where they can see our white boards and half-built prototypes?
I don't think so.


Andrew Arrow
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Andrew Arrow Entrepreneur
VP of Software Engineering at Activity Club
GaborI completely agree it's an issue, and many people will feel same as you about people peeking at sensitive stuff. Points I will make:

1. Apple has this problem internally with other apple employees! There is very little difference between a random stranger and a fellow Apple employee at Apple HQ. You can't see sensitive stuff if you do not have access.

2. Many entrepreneurs suffer from "oooo my stuff is secret" syndrome. When at the end of the day, if everyone knew what they were doing, that would be a good thing. i.e. it's all about execution not the idea.

3. They really aren't "random strangers" they are vetted, top knotch engineers you want to hire. Think of your dream candiditate. Do you NOT want him/her crashing your office and getting to know people?





Gabor Nagy
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Gabor Nagy Entrepreneur
Founder / Chief architect at Skyline Robotics
You do have some good points, Andrew but I'm not talking just about ideas being secret.

On 1.: you just proved my point! Apple is not letting people near projects they're not directly involved in, even within the same company!
But, you are advocating strangers hanging out there?
Are you suggesting some isolated buildings on campus with their own, distinctly-colored entry cards (so "strangers" can't "tailgate" Apple employees into secret areas)?

On 2: Vague, high-level ideas are a dime a dozen, indeed.
I'm not talking about "ooo, let's put the connector on the left side" type of "secrets".
I'm talking about meticulously designed, complex systems with hundreds of brilliant engineering solutions that were produced, validated with testing etc. over years, costing a lot of sweat and money.
That stuff is part of the execution and not the pie-in-the-sky idea phase.
It's one thing to reveal engineering solutions in a product tear-down video, after it has been released.
It's a whole other issue if your designs get out before you had a chance to release the product and someone beats you to market with your own designs.
Of course, it depends on the type of product and designs you have.
If I'm developing a simple mobile game, or a ride-sharing web site, I might not care about other people seeing the design process, or even messing with the source code.
That stuff is all about execution.
Social media sites, like Facebook, sharing ecosystems, like Uber, Airbnb etc. are all no-brainers. All execution and nearly zero hard-core science / engineering / design (except maybe the AI stuff Facebook etc. are doing).
"Oooo, I made a Web site that lets people chat and share pictures". Who hasn't?
But, if I'm developing spaceships, or cutting-edge humanoid robots... Stuff that is so hard that no one has really done it before, I won't let strangers near it, thank you very much.
:)


Nadir Ait-Laoussine
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Nadir Ait-Laoussine Entrepreneur
Growth Strategist | Analytics Consultant | People, Capability, Business Builder
As laid out, I don't think this is a viable business model.
Step 1: Working remotely is not a new thing, and something that is getting traction. So no real issue there, other than it's not really new.
Step 2: Crashing another company is a bit of a strange concept. The only people that it would work for are career changers, and even then. I recently walked the halls of a pharma company looking to sublease space, and there was a lot of paranoia on who we would have there. So you'd have to scalably get companies to buy into that premise. There's been attempts to do that in the shared workspace industry, but has not been successful.
Step 3: Getting to know people is only one aspect of the role.

At the end, what I struggle the most with is how this concept will scale. You would need a lot of companies to buy into this.

Rather, you should check out coworking spaces in your area. There are nearly 8000 spaces globally, and there is a lot of variability in what spaces and communities look like, but I know of many stories that follow the path that you laid out that have happened in coworking spaces. Coworking spaces already provide what you are trying to do bundled into their space (as part of the overall experience).

Rob Mitchell
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Rob Mitchell Entrepreneur
Senior Java Software Engineer at Direct Commerce
@OP in Boston, one of my old employers was great at already doing something similar to this. He would invite other startups and folks to come share space to stimulate "things" and as a by-product create an ecosphere for folks to, well, jump to things that fit better.

So I think your vision has merit, but to make it succeed at scale will be difficult since so many companies, imho, value their employees and don't want to share them and don't want them to leave. Many (most?) tech employers invest substantially in their employees and they'd like a return on the investment over time.

I can tell you from personal experience that sharing silo-ed knowledge can lead to others running over you and taking-on the better projects and advancing in their career. So, yes, in tech work what-you-know and what-you-can-do is extremely sacred to the reward-based system that we have here in USA employment.

Best of luck on your idea!
K. Alan Robbins
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K. Alan Robbins Entrepreneur
Head Moose at Moose WorldWide Digital
My entire organization is virtual/remote in the U.S., there are plenty of companies that operate the way we do. We are extremely green with all operations in the cloud. My employees are scattered across the globe.

In the world of Digital Interactive/Agency development the norm is that projects are built using virtual teams that collaborate using cloud tools.

So in my industry, at least, most of what you are describing has already taken place.




Andrew Arrow
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Andrew Arrow Entrepreneur
VP of Software Engineering at Activity Club
Guys, this is a *big* idea. It means a fundamental change to this specific status quo:

NO MORE TECH INTERVIEWS

That idea sells. I can call up CTOs and say, hey how would you like to have all your hiring needs solved for half of what you are paying now to recruiters?

And the flip side, I can tell people spending money to rent office space stop, here's free office space.

Who's coming with me? Dorothy Boyd thank you!

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