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Is there a site that rates developers?

My off-shore developer turned out to be a nightmare. Slow, bait-and-switch, then went dark as soon as I paid the second payment. He appears to have the emotions of a 2-year old when something bugs him. Once he was bugged, he couldn't even articulate what it was.

Is there a site that rates them?

Besides wasting about $7k, he cost us an extra 6 weeks. I'll sue him, but I'd still both like to downgrade him to spare others the heartache, as well as try to ensure the next one is better- though I'm having someone experienced at hiring such people help with that as well. 'Live and learn. Apparently they like to get paid before they work, but next time we'll only pay weekly and when goals are hit. And there'll be more in the contract... Education is expensive...

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Christos Christoudias
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Christos Christoudias Entrepreneur
Entreprenerd, Technical Co-founder, CTO, Software Engineer
YES!! It's called github.com. Developers have their code out there for people to look through publicly! The catch of course is that you need to understand code to tell the difference between a good coder and a bad one. I know that doesn't answer the question you are looking for. But if we are going to be frank here, when you go offshore for work, you aren't looking for great work with a professional. You are looking for the cheapest price. And as you've learned, it is a big gamble and can often be more expensive that way. Just like many other things when you look for the cheapest price: sushi, lawyers, parachutes, tattoos, etc... Sometimes the cheaper version of those things pay off. But even when they don't, a bad review won't really make a difference simply because their next victim is also just looking for the cheapest price. Having worked with software developers my whole life, at this point, your best bet is to save your valuable time and move on. It's frustrating, but your best risk/reward. Good luck with your next hire.
Michael Barnathan
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Michael Barnathan Entrepreneur • Advisor
Co-Founder of The Mountaintop Program, Google Alum
You actually learned that lesson fairly cheaply, relative to what I usually hear. I doubt you'll be able to effectively pursue legal action against someone in a different country - you might want to try negotiating with them. Or if getting your product out quickly is more important than what you spent, just eat the loss, scrap their code because no one is going to want to build on it, and find a reputable developer. Time spent pursuing them is yet more time that your product isn't being built. There's no independent website that I'm aware of where you can complain about developers, unless you book them through the site itself (e.g. UpWork). If the country you're booking them in has a BBB thing and they're big enough, you can try that. Recognize that this lack of formal mediation infrastructure is a hidden pitfall of going to cheap areas of the world. Since it sounds like you're planning on doing something similar again, you might want to at least check out a gig site that vets its talent, like Toptal. You'll pay more for it, but probably still less than a senior domestic developer. Your other alternative is to find a capable junior dev here. Milestones are always a good idea no matter who you hire. Do it in two week sprints, ask for demos of work every sprint, pay when the demo succeeds - this degree of project management is overkill for a small number of trusted senior people (you'll slow them down), but invaluable when dealing with a questionable team. Learn project management, PMs live this on a day to day basis.
Jack Shedd
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Jack Shedd Advisor
Interactive Director at Mess
Sadly, there really isn't a rating platform for developers, offshore or otherwise.

I see someone above mentioning GitHub, but that's generally useless for a non-developer, and can even be difficult for a developer. I know I've had more than a few developer candidates who looked solid, based on their GitHub contributions, only to fail at relatively basic technical discussions face-to-face.

While there's a chorus of people knocking you for using off-shore labor, I won't join in. I've seen more than a few startups get hosed by onshore teams, who wasted a lot more money than you did learning their lessons.

Best of luck, and in the future ask for referrals. Lots of them.
Edward M. Yang
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Edward M. Yang Entrepreneur
Managing Partner at Firecracker PR
Try clutch.co

I've used a really good hybrid offshore development team for the past year. Strong UX/UI work and backend coding. Timely communications. Let me know if you'd like me to do a warm intro.
Rand Strauss
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Rand Strauss Entrepreneur
Transforming politics and government, Visionary at PeopleCount.org
Thanks- they're actually here, in the bay area. Their sales people (maybe project managers) and at least one founder are here. The developers are in India.Four of their people are on FounderDating. I'll ask FD if I should name their company...So yes, I'll use the BBB and sue them in small claims court.

Yes, the references are key. And I now have two people who can add oversight.
Dave Duran
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Dave Duran Entrepreneur • Advisor
Founder & CEO of Yodata.
Rand, here are some thoughts and ideas for you.

1. Where did you find your dev? Some of the freelancer sites have ratings and reviews that you might use to share your experiences.

2. Always check your developers Github profile and look at some real code, good developers are...

a. Prolific. Look for lots of code checked in over a long period of time.

b. Fastidious. Look for code that is orderly, well documented and works!

c. Engaged. The best developers participate and contribute to other people's projects because they can't help themselves - they need to fix things.

Finally, you might try a site that pre-screens developers like toptal.com . I haven't hired anyone from toptal yet, but one of my co-founders is currently going through their interview process to pick up some side projects while our startup is in cockroach-mode and I can tell you the process is VERY thorough. Multiple interviews, code evaluation and completion of a sample project on a schedule are involved.

Best of luck to you!

-dd
Amir Yasin
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Amir Yasin Advisor
Developer, Architect
You're going to sue? In a foreign country? Over an amount that would qualify you to be in small claims court? Really? I actually laughed out loud when I read that line.

There's no Yelp to report terrible freelancers, and there's no Yelp to report terrible clients either. Ultimately if you buy anything at the lowest price don't be surprised if it's not all that great. I don't know what you were having this developer do, but given your attitude here, you're probably better off hiring an on shore developer at a reasonable rate with whom you wouldn't have a language and cultural mismatch.
Krishna Vattipalli
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Krishna Vattipalli Entrepreneur
Founder and CEO, Imaginnovate Techsolutions
Rand, I can understand what you have been through, when working with a team in a different timezone. While I don't know if there is a site where you can rate an agency, I would like to share my experience. Outsourcing can be beneficial in multiple ways, as it helps in faster development cycles thus shortening your time-to-market and access to a larger talent pool and finally cost effective development. But, as Brian pointed out, if outsourcing is primarily considered for cost savings, it can prove dangerous in certain situations.

I suggest that, when considering outsourcing, make sure the team communicates effectively and has good project management practices so that you are kept upto date with the progress. An outsourcing team will also work best if you have an in-house project manager or technology team. In this way, there is a good handshake between teams.

We follow this effectively in our team and have been very successful in handling US based customers.

Disclaimer: I am CEO of Imaginnovate based in India. We work with startups based in US and have been successful in delivering projects and customer experience.
Steve Miller
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Steve Miller Advisor
Technology Consultant
Try upwork.com. They offer ratings and certifications for developers. I've found some really good off-shore developers using their service. They do take 10% of whatever you pay the developer as the money goes through them. Here is a link on how they work. https://www.upwork.com/i/howitworks/client/
Hope this helps!

Michael Barnathan
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Michael Barnathan Entrepreneur • Advisor
Co-Founder of The Mountaintop Program, Google Alum
If you use upwork, you should still get good at vetting people and detecting BS. There's a lot of noise.
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