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Recomendation for a startup friendly Business Process Patent Lawyer - for provisional patent filing

Hi Guys,

I'm looking to file a business process patent(provisional for now) for the product that I'm working on right now.
I have a written description and some drawings outlining the steps already made. I just want to make sure that the provisional is worded correctly so that I don't run into unintendedconsequences later on when i file my non provisional.

Anyone had good experience with patent attorneys specializing in "software business process" patents that don't cost a ton of money (at leastfor the provisional stage).

Any recommendations greatly appreciated. Thx.

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Bill Kelley
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Bill Kelley Entrepreneur • Advisor
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Hi Celu!

I am very impressed with Kyri Tsircou. His firm,Tsircou Law, is here in LA. Very smart guy and definitely understands software and process (that's what he researched for us). Give him a call.[removed to protect privacy]
Dan Rubinsky
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Dan Rubinsky Entrepreneur
VP, Senior Product Manager at Bank of the West
Celu, I filed a business process patent through a patent attorney acquaintance of mine. I had a description of the process and some use cases. Very reasonable price and when I eventually turned it over into a full patent he allowed me to use some of the cost of the provisional patent to the full patent.. I'm not sure if he's taking clients now but he's worth reaching out for a discussion. His name is Adam Boscovich and his e-mail is [removed to protect privacy] You can let him know that Dan Rubinsky gave you his information. Good luck, Dan
Blaise Freeman
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Blaise Freeman Entrepreneur • Advisor
Freelance Web Designer
I can also recommend Beacon IP. They're in Boston, MA and offer competitive rates for startup patent searches. Try contacting Pallavi Singh <[removed to protect privacy]>
Celu Ramasamy
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Celu Ramasamy Entrepreneur
FX Artist/Developer at DreamWorks Animation
Thanks a lot for the quickrecommendationsguys. Will follow up with them, This really helps. Thx.
Kevin Walsh
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Kevin Walsh Entrepreneur
Technology Innovation & Systems Manager at University of Santa Monica
Jason Webb is as startup friendly as they come. I am working with him. He is faculty at CEO Space, and so works primarily with start-ups.
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Carlos Herrera
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Carlos Herrera Entrepreneur
Hi Celu -

Provisional patent applications are not published to the public and allow a year before they expire or you convert them into an actual patent application. This is a good approach for software, as it allows you to get your provisional patent badge and application number without going through the hassle of filing an actual patent. This is important since software patents are taking upwards of 3 years to process, so chances are your tech will beobsoletebefore you even hear back from the patent office (we've submitted 9 software patents in the last 3 years, 0 responses from the patent office). Submitting a provisional patent allows you to put a time-stamp on your invention,withoutrevealingthe actual contents of your invention. In general, I submit my provisional patents with as littleinformationas possible, since only you really know what the content is.

If you are just looking to get the "patent pending" status or an application number, I would suggest either filing the provisional patent yourself or using a service like legalzoom. - The practical first step.

Once you are ready to write your actual patent application, I would focus on solidifyingyourclaims and finding a patent attorney who it willing to crafttheapplicationfor you (it's a mind-f*%@ if you try to do it yourself). In terms of finding a good attorney (yes there are bad ones), the one question I would ask an them, is how involved they are in writing the patent. The best ones, are very hands on and for all intents and purposes 'write them for you' based on your provided artifacts :). Prices we'vepaid have ranged fro 5k - 10k.

Carlos
Tony So
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Tony So Entrepreneur • Advisor
Co-founder of Magnitude.io
Hi Celu,

You may want to talk to Christopher Hanba at K&L Gates (formerly Preston Gates & Ellis). He was extremely helpful with the questions I had.

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Christopher Burrage
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Christopher Burrage Entrepreneur
MBA Candidate at Columbia Business School
Hi Celu, Reach out to Lenny Kravets at [removed to protect privacy][image: Look up in Salesforce]. He is a great Startup IP Attorney with reasonable rates. He also blogs at www.startupsip.com.
John Knapp
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John Knapp Entrepreneur
Entrepreneur, innovator, leader, developer
I've only ever filed utility patent applications but now that the USA has switched from "first to invent" to "first to file" I can say provisional applications will become much more important. (File early, file often.) And since we no longer have the one year grace period to decide if your invention is commercially viable (and fundable) you probably should file provisional applications for each promising iteration of your invention. Related to that, remember that now that the "America Invents Act" (aka Patent Reform) has become law, if you disclose your invention to anyone - investor, customer, friend, anyone - before you file a provisional or utility patent application, you lose your right to file. Some background information here and here.
Chris Murphy
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Chris Murphy Entrepreneur • Advisor
Director of Corporate and Legal Affairs at E2open
Be sure to take a few minutes and read the attached (by an attorney) on how you can save a LOT of money during the process by following a process that will make things much clearer for both you and your attorney. Best of luck!



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